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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Very accurate... I shot about 1.5 inch group at 25, but only in all shot 20 rounds.

Whoah now. 25 yards or 25 feet?



thank you for the heads up... did not intend to leave units out... it was a little over a yard past the 7 yard mark... approximately 25 feet.  I did not shoot at all past 10 yards. 
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I wonder if the old ASP Guttersnipe sights inspired these new sites?

Classic Guns: Smith & Wesson Model 39 'ASP' Combat Pistol

by SI Staff - Thursday, April 19, 2018


If the most famous member of Her Majesty’s secret service carries one, it may be the highest compliment a pistol can receive. In Gardner’s Bond novel, “Role of Honor,” written in the 1980s, the secret agent’s signature Walther PPK was temporarily replaced by an innovative, yet obscure, concealed-carry firearm called the ASP 9 mm Combat Pistol. It is a Smith & Wesson Model 39 double-action, semi-automatic pistol modified for the kind of fictional spy work for which Bond is best known, but it was created in the real world for professionals with an actual need for a deep-carry sidearm.


Back in the 1960s, New York City holster maker Paris Theodore had a reputation for producing the kind of special equipment used in spycraft: pen guns, briefcase guns and even a cigarette lighter capable of firing live ammunition. His company, Armament Systems Procedures Corporation (or “ASP”), occasionally filled orders for clandestine government agencies and, as the story goes, it was approached by one to create an ideal pistol for undercover work overseas. Recognizing the popularity of the 9 mm cartridge in other parts of the world, Theodore chose the Smith & Wesson Model 39 for the project and began to make changes. 


He shortened the Model 39’s slide and barrel, replaced its collet bushing with a fixed-barrel bushing, bobbed the hammer and installed a trigger-guard extension that served as a stabilizing finger rest for the index finger of the shooter’s supporting hand. Theodore also replaced the pistol’s factory sights with his patented “Guttersnipe Advanced Sighting Plane,” a short channel, which tapered from rear to front. When correctly centered, the target was seen to be surrounded on three sides by the yellow frame and appeared as three equally balanced triangles.

The short sight radius eliminated the need for a conventional front sight and, with practice, the Guttersnipe was capable of fight-stopping accuracy at combat distances. The profiles of all of the pistol’s external parts were radiused and smoothed to prevent snagging.

Additionally, the ASP was outfitted with clear Lexan grips, and a cutout in the side of the magazine made it possible for operators to verify at a glance the number of remaining rounds in their pistol. At a time when the word “ambidextrous” was not often used in the gun industry, the ASP was made in both right-hand and left-hand models—another aspect of Theodore’s work that was ahead of its time.

All of these features combined to make a pistol that offered significant advantages to anyone in the world of espionage. Civilians wanted Theodore’s modified Smith & Wesson Model 39, too, so he patented the design and began selling it out of his shop on West 39th Street in Manhattan, NY. For nearly 15 years, Theodore made the ASP pistol, but in 1982 he licensed its production to the ASP Corporation of Appleton, WI.

He stopped working on firearms in 1987 and died in 2006. Although this real-life “Q” is no longer with us, Paris Theodore lives on today as the mastermind behind a truly innovative pistol design.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASP_pistol

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Nifty pistol  
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Oh I remember the ASP. S&W started making compact versions of the Mod. 39/59 and even came out with a line called the Chief Special that were similar to the ASP, but never used the ASP sight.
As for sights, I still like the SAS sight.
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I was able to play with the 365SAS last night at the LGS and liked the sights. I found them easy to acquire.
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Originally posted by Sparky Sparky wrote:

I was able to play with the 365SAS last night at the LGS and liked the sights. I found them easy to acquire.

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I'm going to vote "No"on the Sig 365SAS.  

Two of us shot the 365SAS at the local range on Saturday.  I've been shredding the bullseye with the regular P365.  My shooting buddy also shoots the P365 well.  Not so with the SAS sights.  

1.  They are not precise.  
2.  They covered the bullseye at seven yards.  
3.  Our carefully aimed shots landed in unpredictable locations.
4.  They required a 6:00 o'clock hold completely under the bullseye to put some hits in the center.

I much prefer the regular sights.  Newer is not necessarily better.

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with regular sights in most cases you aim off the tip of the front sight, not the center of the dot on the sights. These sights are the same, yes you have to put the small dot in the center of the circle,  just as you line up the front sight so it is centered in the notch of the rear sight. Also with these you still put the top of the circle on the target where u want to hit.  From you post it sounds like you were trying to use the center dot as your aiming point. The center dot is to line things up, not necessarily to aim from.  I have two sets of these and in my shooting they are as precise as any other handgun sight i have. 

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Glad they worked for you.
I didn't care for them at all.  

To clarify, I did try the 6:00 hold with the top of the sight, and the dot centered.

Everyone has different tastes, and that's okay.
What works for one person doesn't always work for another.
I've certainly learned that after 50+ years of pistol shooting.

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well i got 51+ years. ;)
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I am just getting caught up on this one. Paris Theodore was an obscure but iconic master. I own several of his holster designs that Lou Alessi and Ken Null obtained from him. His UNS type is the flatest, most concealable and comfortable IWB holster I have used. 
I have seen and handled an ASP many years ago. When I went home to my P38 and BHP I knew I wanted one. Never happened, though.
Gutter snipe, Quell.....I could go on and on. Paris Theodore rocks!
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Congratulations!
I've actually got 57 years (started pistols in 1962, and rifles in the early 1940's).
Perhaps we should let the "kids" take over!
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Originally posted by Longhunter Longhunter wrote:

Congratulations!
I've actually got 57 years (started pistols in 1962, and rifles in the early 1940's).
Perhaps we should let the "kids" take over!
Right! I get looks when using a bullseye stance at the range.....and forget point shooting there.
Back to the Sig, the closest I have come to sites of that type is the Colt Agents and Smith Chiefs Special. 
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i was just being a smarty pants. I am 11 years shy of 51. 
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

i was just being a smarty pants. I am 11 years shy of 51. 

What a bulldozer
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