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BREAKING NEWS!
I agree with G on this one ST. With a pencil weight barrel, getting one to group with more than 3 shots is a lot to expect. Unless you allow sufficient time for the barrel to cool between shots so each shot is a cold bore shot.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lockjaw Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September/20/2017 at 12:26
When I got home last night, I pulled the gun out of the safe and plopped it into my Allen Sandbag thing I use for shooting. Then ran a deposit slip down the barrel channel, or rather tried. The rubber at the very end prevented it, and when I got the slip through past that, it caught in a couple places too. 

So out comes the barrelled action, and I got aftrer the channel with some sandpaper wrapped around a deep well socket. I also ran it over the pillars to smooth them out. I don't see all the flex I hear people talking about, but wondered if some marine tex epoxy down in the webbing would stiffen the stock without adding to much weight. 

I got it sanded where I could at least run the deposit slip up and down without contact. 

Then I put it back together with blue loctite. 

For good measure, I pulled the scope off, pulled each base screw out, added blue loctite (which I feel certain I did when I put it on the first time) and tightened back down. Then did the same with the rings (DNZ mount). I leveled the action in the bag, and then made sure the scope was also level before I snugged down the rings. 

I wouldn't mind a stock upgrade, but here's the thing. The gun isn't that heavy right now. My 270 BDL in a Hogue with the alum bedding block weighs more. I may look at the magpul hunter, but dang, I hate to add a whole extra pound. 

I did some research and I am going to try some IMR 4064 and probably varget and see what happens. At the very least I know it will shoot Federal Fusion 165's decent enough for my purposes. 

It will depend on what I can find at the store. I am not ordering online and paying a hazmat fee and all that. What a waste. 
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I am not arguing that and agree with you guys.  The gun only holds 4 rounds and getting that many with a bolt gun at an elk is not common.  But the fact is, I wanted it to shoot better than it was.  And I accomplished that, it just took finding the right bullet.  A pencil barrel that will shoot 5 shot groups at 1.5 inches is fantastic in my book.  Plus 95% of the shooting of that gun is at the range, so why not see how well I can get it.  I have had that gun for 8 to 10 years and it has only shot 2 elk and 1 deer.  6 or 7 rounds at game.  The other 100 to two has been at targets at the range. 

Quote It will depend on what I can find at the store. I am not ordering online and paying a hazmat fee and all that. What a waste.


Ain't that the truth.  I only order hazmat stuff when I can order 50ish lbs.  When you find what it likes get a few buddies together and each buy an 8lb jug or two.  Then you don't have to change lots for a while. 
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gotcha.... I'm similar but after chasing those demons on mine I gave up on shooting more than 3 at a time..... been happier ever since.... again them featherweight 300WSM's are not the easiest on the old shoulder!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lockjaw Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September/21/2017 at 16:08
I was watching something on youtube about shooting groups with hunting contour barrels and it said 3 shots was about what you could expect to group well before the barrel got to hot and started throwing fliers. 

I always felt my 700 BDL 270 didn't have that issue, but its been so long since I shot that gun, I couldn't say for sure anymore. All I know is its heavy. 

I am going to the gun store to scope out a Remington in a Magpul and see if I like it or not. I may just have to bit the bullet and get something else like a B&C, H&S, or perhaps I can find a laminated stock and add pillars and bed it. I like laminated. 


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It is true.  One of the reasons target and varmint guns have heavy barrels.  I have an M40 profile .308 barrel and I have shot it 20 rounds and kept all 20 under an inch.  

Also small profile seem to be more finicky at time to find a good load than heavy barrels.  They vibrate more and are harder to find that sweet spot.  
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I don't recall ever killing more than three deer at once with a scoped rifle. Shotgun, yes. Rifle, no. 

I shoot three to test centerfire loads. Five or more for rimfire or to challenge myself.
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I have killed 2 deer with a rifle back to back, when they let us shoot 2 doe's a day here. 

Ah the glory days. 

One of the things I like about this remington is the barrel is a heavy contour, but the gun itself isn't overly heavy. 

For example. I have 2 reminton 700's. Both in Hogue stocks. 

A 270 BDL with a 22 in barrel. It has the bedding block Hogue stock. Then I have the 700 AAC-SD in 308 in the pillar bedded version. The 270 has a Nikon Monarch 4-16x50 BDC in steel Leupold rings and bases, the 308 has a Minox ZA5 3-15x42 in a DNZ mount. The 270 is considerably heavier. So much so I don't like to hunt with it. 

Then to make matters worse I have 2 Ruger carbines, 1 in 7mm-08, and one in 308. Both sport 16.5 in barrels. The 7mm is a 6 pound gun, the 308 is 5.75 pounds, without scope, sling and ammo. And I satisified my itch for a lever 30-30 last year by getting a 1971 Marlin. It's not very heavy either. 

If I am going to a shooting house, I don't mind a heavy gun, if I am hiking in carrying a climbing tree stand, my backpack and extra clothes, then I do. And sometimes in a shooting house, a 22 in barrel long action rifle is a little to long. 
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I've shot and dropped 4 deer in one string before under a depredation permit using an AR but for hunting I only need 1 at a time.... to much work cleaning and processing to do more than 1 at a time.  I normally donate the deer killed under the permit to the migrant workers on the farms.
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Well I was not able to get any IMR 4064 but I did score some BL-C(2) and some 178 Grain ELD-X bullets. 

I went ahead and got an electronic scale while I was at it. 

So I loaded these using 180 grain data, starting at 42 grains. I went up in .5 grain increments to 45. The max charge on 180's was 46. 

Those are some long bullets. 
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 I loaded the ELD-X and also some 168 NBT"s with the BL-C2 and went to the range yesterday. Results were dismal again. 

So this AM I took the gun down to the gunsmith with 5 boxes of diffeent ammo, and said please see if you can sight this in, or find out why I can't. 

The gunsmith asked me what the groups were like, I said 5 or 6 inches. He doesn't think I could be that bad a shot. I said, well, I shouldn't be, but everything I have shot out of it has grouped poorly, except the Fusion 165's. 

So he has those, some hornady custom 165's, AW 150, Federal MSR 150, and Core Lokt 150. I guess we shall see what happens. 

He asked me if how I sighted it in. I said I took it up the street to the indoor range and set it dead on with 150 Gr SST ammo at 25 yards. 
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